Batman Begins

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Posted by Sulkyblue (23rd Jun 2005, 17:30)

A new and very interesting take on Batman falling nicely between the gothic darkness of the first two and the blockbuster bigness of the latter two. A great film once it actually got going. I could have done with considerably less about ninjas on mountains and pretensious twaddle about facing fears yada yada yada. It did manage to avoid falling into Spider-Man level moralising but plumetted into the relationship hole (apparently that last scene was added in very late and did indeed feel out of place). If it had lost 20 minutes from the start and just got on with it a bit more (possibly even cutting out the flashbacks completely) this film would rate as excellent, but even with them in it's still extremely good.

Also - was it just my cinema that had issues with sound balance? I couldn't actually make out large chunks of the dialogue.

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 gaspode ( 29th Jun 2005, 20:51, Rank: Killer Rabbit )  reply

I, on the other hand, really quite liked all the ninjas and mountains and backstory stuff. I thought it raised the Batman character from a 2-dimensional (forgive the pun) comic character to something with some degree of depth and interest to it. The overall feel was a lot less cartoony than just about any other incarnation of Batman on screens of any size so far. It was nicely dark, which is something Batman on film has kinda lacked. The lack of much in the way of moralising was good too. It was nice to see a 'superhero' not caring much for collateral damage and actually being 'good' for a change!

There were still silly bits, but they weren't overwhelming and they didn't swamp the darkness and so on. Also, for all that the relationship stuff is usually cringeworthy in this sort of film, there wasn't actually that much of it in the end. Much less than the usual Hollywood schmalz quota anyway, so I don't begrudge it the occasional scene. Anyway, it didn't really get anywhere, so we can't complain too much :-)

Personally, I think they should replace all of the older Batman movies with new ones in this style, and then erase the existence of the previous ones from history as they go :-)

More of the same please!

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 karne ( 30th Jun 2005, 11:02, Rank: GSV )  reply

Ninja are great and were actually relevent to the story (cp the character's comic background). My only objection was the stupid magic microwave machine and the lack of cooked people ]:=8) That was forgivable though and I found the film a lot of fun. Yay for the Scarecrow too!

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 Sulkyblue ( 30th Jun 2005, 12:58, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

Yes the lack of micronuked people made me laugh too. Also wasn't sure how they were powering the thing. But never mind.

The ninja did indeed make sense from a character pov etc. It was more a personal dislike for ninjas on mountains than a labelling of them as dumb. I just felt the film took a while to get going.

But overall a superb film. It was more of a niggle (and an attempt to get a discussion going) than a major flaw.

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 dormouse ( 30th Jun 2005, 13:54, Rank: Jedi )  reply

I liked this one a lot, certainly much more than the other Batman films. I love it when I can watch a film and think "yes, that's definitely X brought to life" rather than "hmm, interesting interpretation of X, but it's only got part of the original" (e.g. Constantine!).

I particularly liked the car's routefinder ;)

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 karne ( 30th Jun 2005, 18:41, Rank: GSV )  reply

'turn left now!'

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 John Kirk ( 1st Jul 2005, 10:12, Rank: Patrician )  reply

I liked the film, although I don't have any particularly deep comments to make on it. The only slight problem I had was that they seemed to skip a big chunk at the end - after Batman had won his fight on the monorail, the result seemed to be "Good news - the rest of the city is safe from the fear gas. Bad news - the people on the island are still tearing each other apart, it will be several weeks until we can mass-produce the antidote, and there are no police to patrol the rest of the city because they're all beating people up on the island." Then again, "Batman Returns" had a similar problem...

Sound-wise, the bass did seem a bit excessive (I could feel my stomach vibrating!), but I didn't have any major difficulty understanding the speech.

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