2nd Dr Who Episode

Posted by Richard (2nd Apr 2005, 20:00) -

Well i think we can say thats where some of the effects budgets gone :].

Once again I was impressed by the acting, but wished it could have been longer. I liked that scene at the start in the tardis with all the mad controlls a great deal.

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 Siberman ( 3rd Apr 2005, 12:04, Rank: Mentat )  reply

I liked it too :-)

I suspect taht they have a bigger effects budget this time around so we can expect more shinyness to come.

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 Richard ( 3rd Apr 2005, 13:42, Rank: Dust Puppy )  reply

indeed at £10M for the series ($18M) for 13 episodes they are at £750,000 ($1.4M) which is easily approacihg the likes of Firefly, Enterprise and Stargate.

There is a trailer on the oficial website showing daleks and spaceships and things so there would indeed apear to be lots of shiny to come.

The aliens were also of a high quality so far, they appear to be mixing high quality make up effects (the Trees of Cheem, i did check the spelling and its not Cheam) with simple alien costumes making it look like they have lots of well done aliens when in fact they have only had to put the effort into one or two ;]) That might be a bit unfair on them as unlike B5 or ST they tend to have far more incidental one off aliens that willr equire design and new costumes, wheras paramoutn mush have a room full of random bits from a far smaller number of species. I atually thought the adherance to the repeated meam were excellent and they consited of 5 hairy rugs and a robotic hand with some gold chains borrowed form ali-G, they still looked cool and sinister and not too low budget, probably precicly because they were stnading next to expensivly produced aliens.

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 karne ( 3rd Apr 2005, 14:41, Rank: GSV )  reply

Superb. I'm really looking forward to the rest of the series.

Who saw the Quatermass Experiment remake on BBC4 afterwards? Surprisingly engrosing!

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 dormouse ( 5th Apr 2005, 09:43, Rank: Jedi )  reply

Quatermass was interesting, if a bit slow.

i thought it was very brave of them to broadcast it live! apart from when the guy nearly tripped when running, i didn't spot any major gaffes ;) i was surprised how modern the way they filmed it looked - it didn't feel as like a play with restricted sets and views as i'd expected.

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 Baz ( 3rd Apr 2005, 17:26, Rank: Jhereg )  reply

Am I the only person who feels that the fact that the Doctor killed someone is worthy of comment?

The acting was ok, and the effects were nice - but the plot was far too cramped - would have worked much better spread over two to three half-hour episodes rather than all in one 45 minute one.

I think.

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 Siberman ( 4th Apr 2005, 22:12, Rank: Mentat )  reply

Baz: I concur about the plot - it would be nice if it was less rushed. However there are meant to be some longer stories later in the series, so I'm looking forward to see how they handle those.

Re. the dr killing someone: while this is more cold blooded then usual, he does kill creatures/beings fairly often, but I agree; the usual course would have been to hand her over to the authorities.

n.b. hooray for 'adherence to the repeated meme' !

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 dormouse ( 5th Apr 2005, 09:35, Rank: Jedi )  reply

It was unusually cold and nasty for the doctor - but I guess that explains the references to Ecclestone's "darker Doctor". And I wonder what happened to Gallifrey!

As Lorna pointed out, it would be very difficult to entirely do away with Time Lords without fiddling with their time line early on...otherwise you'd still expect to run into those that were out time travelling. The tree person said that it was amazing that he even *existed*, which seems to back this up. But how do you comprehensively wipe them out but still end up with the Doctor left, and with people knowing that they once existed? Something very odd going on... speculations?

What's the current canon on how the time line works in Doctor Who? Is it a single time line that can be changed, or multiple parallels?

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 Richard ( 5th Apr 2005, 11:22, Rank: Dust Puppy )  reply

After a little digging and a quick query to lloyd and then wikkipedia .. it would seem that the doctor destroyed gallifrey to prevent worse things happening in one of the books about the eighth doctor. This DOSNT explain how Jabe knew about their existance at all, unless it was an aincient memory of a long dead species.. which seems a bit implausible,but not impossible, but would mean that they were wiped out at apoint after they had already beceom timelords.

In this universe (if ive got my facts straight) if a timelord makes a change he is the only one whos timeline is reasonably unnaffected. So to wipe out the whole of gallifrey (early in its history) and have only the Doctor left means that it must have been the Doctor wot done it. Which fits with what happend in the series eight book. For more and some references info see wikkipedia. BUT I would be surprised if these boks are taken as canon .. we shall have to see.

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 dormouse ( 5th Apr 2005, 13:23, Rank: Jedi )  reply

aha - interesting. Tardis being a magic time bubble makes sense. I hadn't even considered the *Doctor* being the one that killed Gallifrey. There's a terrifying amount of backstory here - ( , ( Maybe we should get these books for the library ;)

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 Siberman ( 9th Apr 2005, 10:32, Rank: Mentat )  reply


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 Siberman ( 10th Apr 2005, 09:28, Rank: Mentat )  reply

Re. destruction of gallifrey, it seems that the time lords had a civil war (a renegade faction attempted to sieze control of gallifrey) and attempted to erase each other from history, thus FUBARring the entire time line. The doctor destroyed gallifrey to stop the wrong side getting control of everything and pradoxing the universe out of existance (apparently).

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 Richard ( 5th Apr 2005, 11:24, Rank: Dust Puppy )  reply

ALSO this episode kept reasonably high ratings ~7.7 million viewers It was a nice evening and if globl figures were down then it was an excellent turnout. (/me gets a new TV lisence)

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 dormouse ( 5th Apr 2005, 14:09, Rank: Jedi )  reply

( a long but interesting analysis/rant by Lawrence Miles (one of the Dr Who book authors)

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