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MtG: Fifth Dawn Previews

Posted by Sulkyblue (3rd May 2004, 11:17) - http://www.wizards.com

It's time for the final bit of the Mirrodin block. 2 weeks of previews on the main website and doubtlessly full spoilers in other places.

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 dormouse ( 3rd May 2004, 12:23, Rank: Jedi )  reply

hmm. going to be dangerous.. as always ;)


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 karne ( 3rd May 2004, 13:32, Rank: GSV )  reply

(www.wizards.com) and another, purrr...


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 karne ( 4th May 2004, 11:09, Rank: GSV )  reply

(www.wizards.com) and a third - and can I say, that's the the most tasteless Magic artwork I've seen in a long time..

meh.. where's my Dread of Night..


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 dormouse ( 4th May 2004, 11:47, Rank: Jedi )  reply

at least it's a rare.


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 karne ( 5th May 2004, 09:20, Rank: GSV )  reply

(www.wizards.com) two today, suddenly all the talismans, myr etc. make sense. The elf color fixer is great (though it's going to make elf power decks more evvvil), the Bringer is just silly.


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 Siberman ( 5th May 2004, 11:27, Rank: Mentat )  reply

Well, the bringer is less silly than some other creatures, darksteel colossus for example.

I want to know what the other bringers will do (i hope not just more limited tutors)


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 Sulkyblue ( 5th May 2004, 11:39, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

I love the bringer, he's great!
That elf color fixer is interesting and another very popular rare grab i suspect. And... yet more bloody awful artwork! Why is it that all the women are young and scantily clad and all the men are old, cloak wearing druids? Actually, don't answer that question.


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 karne ( 5th May 2004, 11:41, Rank: GSV )  reply

i must admit, i prefered the classical artwork of the older cards. The elf druid isn't too bad though, nothing like that blasted cleric. The Bringer art is boring.


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 karne ( 5th May 2004, 11:44, Rank: GSV )  reply

siber: the colossus was just a big unkillable fatty. The Bringer gives you deck control. I can't see why you wouldn't put a terror, a shatter, a lightning blast, a dienchant, a counterspell etc. in any deck with it.


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 Hack ( 5th May 2004, 16:47, Rank: Cylon Centurion )  reply

I think that the Disrobing Scepter would interact well with Auriok Champion ...


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 Siberman ( 6th May 2004, 08:19, Rank: Mentat )  reply

this orrery is just silly!

it breaks everything


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 karne ( 6th May 2004, 09:28, Rank: GSV )  reply

(www.wizards.com) I'm surprised it allows sorceries but it shouln't break things, the Equinox didn't after all and that's old now. From my point of view, I'm very happy - it's just doubled the number of cards I can use to build the Eater of Days deck that's giving me grief..


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 Sulkyblue ( 6th May 2004, 09:57, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

damnit i didn't think of that eater of days deck! damn that's gonna hurt. Not sure about the card, most odd. But it is a lovely picture!
o o o Hunger of the Nim at instant speed in my deck with ~15 artifacts....


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 dormouse ( 6th May 2004, 10:20, Rank: Jedi )  reply

it's john avon, of course it's nice artwork :D Actually, i was looking at his website yesterday and couldn't place some of the Darksteel images - anyone recognise which cards the 1st 2 pictures are on? (maybe they're concept art) I like the fiery beasties!


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 Sulkyblue ( 6th May 2004, 11:42, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

Ah I thuoght the style looked familiar. It's an Arcbound Lancer and Darksteel Citadel.


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 karne ( 10th May 2004, 10:50, Rank: GSV )  reply

As Lorna noted, the arrows are the spawn of Triskelion and Biskelion. Card initialy seems weak, a poor man's skelion, but the -1/-1 effect is interesting. After all this can kill indestructable creatures..


read biography for - dormouse

 dormouse ( 10th May 2004, 11:34, Rank: Jedi )  reply

go Crystal Quarry - i always liked that card :)


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 Siberman ( 10th May 2004, 12:36, Rank: Mentat )  reply

there's another card here:

(www.wizards.com)

Auriok salvagers - brings low cost artifacts out of graveyard to hand. Much talk of infinite mana in the article :-)


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 Sulkyblue ( 10th May 2004, 12:55, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

ooo he's very cute indeed! My first thought was getting artifact lands back particularly useful for arcane spyglasses. But he really does make those spellbombs actually useful. Like him lots!


read biography for - Siberman

 Siberman ( 11th May 2004, 09:04, Rank: Mentat )  reply

I like the engineered explosives. I like destruction. Destruction is good :-)

/me thinks sunburst is going to be interesting, although not *that* powerful


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 karne ( 11th May 2004, 10:12, Rank: GSV )  reply

hmm, more tribal/token hosers - like the game needed any more...

hey Simn, congrates on being a Triffid ];=8)


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 Siberman ( 11th May 2004, 12:18, Rank: Mentat )  reply

karne: where did these ranknigs come from (as in the idea, the objects themselves i know) and how many are there?


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 Sulkyblue ( 11th May 2004, 12:40, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

There'll be an explanation at some point when the whole system is set rather than being played around with as it is at the moment


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 karne ( 11th May 2004, 17:43, Rank: GSV )  reply

55 ranks currently, mostly inspired by much late night ravings. The blurbs are mine, blame me for any errors.


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 karne ( 11th May 2004, 17:44, Rank: GSV )  reply

aaaaaand now he's a Soup Dragon..


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 Siberman ( 12th May 2004, 08:51, Rank: Mentat )  reply

And now wizards have gone too far.

Relentless rats are just wrong!


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 karne ( 12th May 2004, 10:40, Rank: GSV )  reply

(www.wizards.com) O ... wow.... ok so how many of these can i collect.. rotfl....

o and Simon is now a rodent of unusual size - how appropriate


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 Siberman ( 12th May 2004, 12:33, Rank: Mentat )  reply

I think that there are going to be too many RUS as soon as this set gets released


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 Hack ( 12th May 2004, 18:21, Rank: Cylon Centurion )  reply

They seem to be working on the "hey, which rule can we break today?" ethos ...


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 Beale ( 12th May 2004, 18:50, Rank: Cylon Centurion )  reply

I foresee Ravenous Rats + Aluren decks by the dozen. In fact, with that and Future Sight, could you play as many rats as you could get at in a row on the top of your library? Or don't Aluren and Future Sight combine?


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 karne ( 13th May 2004, 00:54, Rank: GSV )  reply

I see no reason they should not; Aluren (www.essentialmagic.com) is a high power card allowing free play of the rats at instant speed, Future Sight (www.essentialmagic.com) lets you see the top card of the library and effectively replaces each rat as you play it. Since both cards affect 'play' of the creature, they should both work. Of course it would be a very expensive deck and I've got a feeling that playing Aluren in the current enviroment might prove fatal; archbound/skeleton shard decks would love it!


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 Siberman ( 13th May 2004, 08:37, Rank: Mentat )  reply

Endless whispers is cool! I like it. (it's not often you hear me say that about new magic cards now is it?) mmmmmmmm. Chaos!


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 Beale ( 13th May 2004, 09:13, Rank: Cylon Centurion )  reply

We should get one of those crazyometers.


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 Siberman ( 13th May 2004, 10:31, Rank: Mentat )  reply

I think that it would go crazy and then break in the library :-)


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 karne ( 13th May 2004, 10:49, Rank: GSV )  reply

ha ha.. ooo soooo many cards for my nascent Chaos deck...And people, link the page! (www.wizards.com)

syntax is <link>URL</link>

Card works nicely with Leveler and Phage, I suspect that in a multiplayer game you won't be getting given any creatures though!


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 karne ( 13th May 2004, 12:41, Rank: GSV )  reply

We need a way to 'sticky' posts ...


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 dormouse ( 13th May 2004, 12:46, Rank: Jedi )  reply

sort by "Show active topics first" should do for now; i'll add that feature later ;) Alternatively you can check the What's New page (star! in top bar).


read biography for - Siberman

 Siberman ( 13th May 2004, 16:12, Rank: Mentat )  reply

I'll try to remember for tomorrow.


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 Beale ( 13th May 2004, 21:26, Rank: Cylon Centurion )  reply

Incidentally, you can also see the Invitational player card submissions. A good number of them are stupid, most of them are good or exceptional, and one or two of them just aren't. Voilà!


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 karne ( 13th May 2004, 21:49, Rank: GSV )  reply

i must admit i hated just about all the invitational cards, they were either boring or broken. The poison one in particular would inspire me to slap the user..


read biography for - Siberman

 Siberman ( 14th May 2004, 08:28, Rank: Mentat )  reply

Hmm. today's card is less exciting (www.wizards.com) but it should be useful :-)


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 Beale ( 14th May 2004, 09:00, Rank: Cylon Centurion )  reply

Indeed, although I'm not sure where they pulled "Shaman" from. Woe be the underpopulated druid tribe.


read biography for - dormouse

 dormouse ( 14th May 2004, 10:00, Rank: Jedi )  reply

astral slide decks. alas!


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 karne ( 14th May 2004, 10:34, Rank: GSV )  reply

Nice card, good flavour and it's cheap enough to actually get used. I always found I never used the previous recoup cards as I couldn't often play both them and the retrieved card in the same turn, and otherwise you lost all surprise.


read biography for - Siberman

 Siberman ( 14th May 2004, 10:37, Rank: Mentat )  reply

The last thing we need is something to power up the slide decks even more! I hadn't considered that aspect of it. Arrrrggghhhh!


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 armadillo ( 16th May 2004, 12:27, Rank: Peacekeeper )  reply

Hehe! That brings slide back into standard for a few months. More power to king me!


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 karne ( 16th May 2004, 17:26, Rank: GSV )  reply

Rank 'Munchkin' - hee.. ]:=8)


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 karne ( 17th May 2004, 08:26, Rank: GSV )  reply

New keyword; scry - (www.wizards.com) Good mechanic, rather like cycling but more controlled, and more expensive. The card itself is nothing special.


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 Siberman ( 17th May 2004, 16:19, Rank: Mentat )  reply

It looks as though they are tacking scry onto old, effects eg red blast or counter spell.

/me hates it: it is too much of a blue deck control effect


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 karne ( 17th May 2004, 16:25, Rank: GSV )  reply

I'ld not say it was that useful for control, assuming they're not silly enough to make most scry spells blue. It might even weaken the blue mage, by giving deck control to other colours.

I suspect the aim is to help 'trick' decks that suffer from lack of speed. In particular 5 colour sunbursters would love being to scry though their deck looking for the coloured mana they need.


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 Siberman ( 18th May 2004, 08:22, Rank: Mentat )  reply

Hmm. Well, this card could only have come from this block (www.wizards.com) and it looks like it could be fun.


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 Siberman ( 19th May 2004, 09:01, Rank: Mentat )  reply

well, they're pushing scry for all they're worth. (www.wizards.com)


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 dormouse ( 19th May 2004, 09:28, Rank: Jedi )  reply

i like that one a lot; it'll need the right type of deck though (obviously). Decks stuffed with sorceries and instants aren't so common in our multiplayer games. But i can think of a few that would work well with it. The mentioned combo with things like Future Sight is scary :)

In general, i like the scry thing - if the other cards are more standard-utility like Shock, it'll be a bit boring but useful for tuning decks that need to speed up a bit, whereever they can fit in or replace similar cards.

The artifact reclamation thing is just begging to be used in a silly dramatic fashion, as in the article ;) it's expensive though, which will probably put people off. Anyway our Traumatises are in use ;) Hmm, maybe there's a use for that poor neglected tolarian serpent.


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 Sulkyblue ( 19th May 2004, 09:55, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

An interesting looking card, far more intersting than just the standard scry cards, which as mouse says aren't really worth building a deck around or anything, but good exchanges. *clings onto her traumatises* you can't have them, they're mine! Between that, indestructable and the skeletal shard, artifacts really don't care about silly little things like being destroyed do they?


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 karne ( 19th May 2004, 10:55, Rank: GSV )  reply

What a fun card ]:=8), nice art work too. The white artifact reclaimer is just another over expensive kill card. Timmy will like it.


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 Siberman ( 19th May 2004, 11:19, Rank: Mentat )  reply

Karne: are you talking about eyes of the watcher when you say fun card?

Oh, btw, I think i plan to keep my current rank for a while (well, until i eventually reach time lord status :-) )


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 Siberman ( 19th May 2004, 11:21, Rank: Mentat )  reply

/me thinks that they should reprint shatter storm to neatly balance the artifact reclaimer


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 Siberman ( 20th May 2004, 08:51, Rank: Mentat )  reply

(www.wizards.com)

I can see this card being very popular.


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 Sulkyblue ( 20th May 2004, 09:39, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

OOOooo! That one's nifty!!! I may be forced to build a green deck


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 karne ( 20th May 2004, 10:23, Rank: GSV )  reply

Siber: I was talking about the Eyes yes. The white reclaimer is boring.

Re the new green; I'm very surprised they didn't mention the other obvious combo - En kor. Their ability (pass on damage to other creatures you control for no mana) means you can convert each lot of combat damage to LOTS of counters instead of just 1. Combine with Task Force to act as a damage sink, and cattrops and tempting licid to keep the damage flowing and they might actually be able to kill someone...

O and a combo with a Slagwurm Armored Crypt Rat could be fun..


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 Siberman ( 20th May 2004, 10:59, Rank: Mentat )  reply

K: unfortunately I don't think the en-kor thing works since the damage is never dealt to the creatures (apart from the task force).

And re. the crypt rats: don't go giving Tai any more ideas for his crypt rats/spirit link deck!


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 dormouse ( 20th May 2004, 12:09, Rank: Jedi )  reply

siber: you can still decide to assign 1 point of damage to each of your creatures, and pass the rest on to a sink - since the enkor ability passes on damage one point at a time :D

shiny...


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 Siberman ( 20th May 2004, 17:31, Rank: Mentat )  reply

mouse: truley, I thought K was talking about a single point bouncing round all his creatures :-0

Also I'm annoyed to be no-longer a dalek!


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 Sulkyblue ( 20th May 2004, 17:54, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

You can change back to a dalek by editting your main bio and selecting from the dropdown box. Personally I'm thrilled to be a Balrog. *hiccups flame*


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 karne ( 20th May 2004, 18:08, Rank: GSV )  reply

siber: one attacking en kor, taking say, 5 damage, can absorb 1 itself and pass the rest onto four other creatures. Throw in lure/licids to keep the damage flowing and counter gaining.


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 Siberman ( 20th May 2004, 20:28, Rank: Mentat )  reply

cool, cheers Lorna :-)

/me thinks that I have to become a timelord soon though, and then advance to Maia/Balrog status.


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 Siberman ( 21st May 2004, 08:16, Rank: Mentat )  reply

(www.wizards.com) is a more powerful reprint of braidwood sextant. More land fixing from sacrificial artifacts.


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 Beale ( 21st May 2004, 08:35, Rank: Cylon Centurion )  reply

Hmm. Not the most exciting thing in the world, but very handy in the right place.
*ponders* Oh, and what about the Shaman en-Kor and a Daru Spiritualist instead of the Task Force?


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 karne ( 21st May 2004, 10:39, Rank: GSV )  reply

Mainly because the deck was built before Daru Spiritualist (www.essentialmagic.com) was released. Even now I wouldn't exchange them. It's a 1/1 that only protects 5 creatures in the deck (2 Shamans, 2 soul warden, 1 mother of runes) whilst the Task Force (www.essentialmagic.com) is a 1/3 that protects all the en-Kor.

Yeah, you can suck damage with the Shaman, but you need to keep the mana back and if I do that I might as well dump it onto a Task Force. Since the Mother self protects anyway, I'ld be exchanging early game protection of en-Kor for early protection of Soul Wardens. Honestly, I'ld prefer the Wardens acted as lightning rods.

And on the new card - it's a sea urchin!


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 Sulkyblue ( 21st May 2004, 10:40, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

Hmm... that wasn't a very exciting way to end preview week was it? Useful and all, particularly with the 'cog' returner, but as you say, not very exciting. Plus the artwork is downright ugly.


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 karne ( 21st May 2004, 13:01, Rank: GSV )  reply

have reposted this thread - cause i thought was interesting and i don't wont it to die yet.


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 Siberman ( 21st May 2004, 14:47, Rank: Mentat )  reply

yeah I wasn't impressed wit it: I would have hoped for a fatty or a really exciting feature card to whet everyone's appetie, but then what would I know abut previewing things?


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 dormouse ( 21st May 2004, 18:39, Rank: Jedi )  reply

shame about the braidwood sextant, it was a nice card, but then it was never quite good enough to put into decks. This one shouldn't have that problem at least. Useful but not exciting ;)

Daru Spiritualist - i think ian is onto something there; the spiritualist itself being a cleric can act almost exactly like the Task Force (differences being: it's cheaper, 1/1 not 1/3, gets +0/+2 not +0/+3, and is scuppered by an Imagecrafter) and also protects the other clerics from targeted damage/ gives you a way to pump their defense on demand.


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 karne ( 21st May 2004, 19:02, Rank: GSV )  reply

of course a more amusing approach would be to use licids...


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 karne ( 24th May 2004, 11:27, Rank: GSV )  reply

More previews (for those that didn't go to the prerelease) All Suns' Dawn (www.wizards.com), also on that page are Doubling Cube (argh), Krark-Clan Ironworks (pseudo Altar) and Mycosynth Golem (double argh!). Further down are Avarice Totem (round and round it goes, where it stops...), Goblin Cannon (fixed Rocket Launcher) and Chimeric Coils (fixed Chimeric Staff).


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