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 John Kirk ( 5th May 2003, 22:25, Rank: Patrician )  reply

I really enjoyed it, although I think in future I'll go for showings that are later in the evening, so that I don't have to put up with 10 year olds running around, talking, etc. (Fortunately they mostly shut up once the film itself had started.) One thing I haven't seen at a cinema before - a couple of copyright screens that appeared just before the film started, saying "You're not allowed to film this to make a pirate copy". Overall, I thought the film was very good. Nice effects for Nightcrawler's teleportation, and by the end of the film his speech about the Munich circus was starting to remind me of Fraser's spiel from "Due South". ("I first came to Chicago hunting my father's killers...") And I was very impressed by his mid-air save of Rogue, even though I probably should have seen that coming. It's been suggested that the first film effectively acted as a trailer for this one (since they used that to establish the characters). I wouldn't quite go that far (since I thought the first film stood well on its own), but I certainly think this film hit the ground running, and kept up with that pace all the way along. And as for the ending, I think the key word here is "Phoenix" :) Some nice touches for fans of the comics - Dr Henry McCoy (aka the Beast) was interviewed on TV, Remy LeBeau (Gambit) was named next to Erik Lenscher (Magneto) on a computer screen, and another computer screen listed Franklin Richards (son of Reed and Sue Richards from the Fantastic Four) next to Cerebro. There may have been other "easter eggs" on those two screens, but they flashed by too quickly for me to read. Ah well, something to wait for when the DVD comes out, so that I can freeze-frame :) And Colossus showed up (the guy whose body turned to metal), although he wasn't referred to by name. I thought Halle Berry did a good job as Storm too - I suspect she gets a bit more clout now that she's an Oscar-winning actress... The first time I saw the original film, I thought she did well, mainly because Storm was a lot less pretentious/long-winded than her counterpart in the animated series. When I re-watched it a couple of days ago, I was less impressed, since I've seen the actress do a lot better in other films (e.g. "Die Another Day"), so I'm glad she did better this time around. The only thing I really saw as a problem in the film was that some of it relied on humans being stupid. Not stupid as in bigoted, but stupid as in "lacking tactical abilities". E.g. it should be obvious that once Nightcrawler has teleported, there's no point shooting the wall where he used to be - it would be more useful to aim your guns next to the President, so that you can shoot him if he appears there. Similarly, when Pyro was setting one police officer on fire, why wasn't the other police officer shooting him in the back of the head? (Given that this happened to Wolverine after much less provocation.) But this isn't a major problem, and in fairness there are quite a few stupid people in the world, so I'll let it ride.

I also have the minor quibble that mutation isn't quite defined the same way in the Marvel Universe as it is in our reality... My understanding is that a mutant is someone who possesses a genetic characteristic which hasn't been inherited from either parent. So, that means that you can't detect mutants without having genetic samples from their parents, and it makes no sense at all to say that "the gene for mutation is carried in the Y-chromosome". From what they've said in the comics, the idea seems to be that Marvel mutants are identified by one specific gene sequence (the so called "X Factor"), which then gives different people different abilities. But still, it's not like the radioactive origins are beyond reproach, so I won't prod at it too much :)


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 karne ( 6th May 2003, 00:47, Rank: GSV )  reply

Film rcked muchly - want to see it again! [grin]
As for the mutant thing - well they're all 'magic' anyway so it doesn't much matter..For interest's sake, you can argue that a tendency towards mutation will always be passed along the male line. Since there is normally only one copy of the y chromosone, any errors that crop up in its genes WILL cause mutation. Genes in all other chromosomes have backup copies.


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 Sulkyblue ( 6th May 2003, 11:19, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

Definately a cool film. I think I preferred it to the first as it didn't have to spend so much time explaining the universe and characters. The moral ambiguity was maybe overdone a little.

For the most part I think the changes they've made from the comics are acceptable. It's a bit infuriating when they muck about with characters like Rogue to such an extent that they're almost completely different, but most of the others have only had small changes made where things really would get too complicated otherwise. The ending with Jean is a very nice setup for X3 and brings in a real story from the comics.


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 Sulkyblue ( 6th May 2003, 11:32, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

From (www.darkhorizons.com) - the list of names on Styker's computer: Keniucho Harada (Silver Samurai), Garrison Kane (Kane), Remy LeBeau (Gambit), Eric Lensherr (Magneto), Artie Maddicks, Jamie Madrox (Multiple Man), Xi'an Coy Mahn (Karma), Pietro Maximoff (Quicksilver), Kevin McTaggart, Danielle Moonstar (Mirage), Ororo Munroe (Storm), Paige Guthrie (Husk), Samuel Guthrie (Cannonball).


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 karne ( 6th May 2003, 11:57, Rank: GSV )  reply

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 Sulkyblue ( 6th May 2003, 12:26, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

oo - you found another one! Fancy adding it to the links database? I found a couple of other sites yesterday (www.uncannyxmen.net) is another good one.


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 bigbob ( 6th May 2003, 14:43, Rank: Psycho Historian )  reply

also the dr beign interviewed on the tv in the museum scence was hank McCoy(the beast, i think).

anyway the film did rock. It had one porblem i have with a lot of current films that soem of the action scences are too fast and you cant really tell whats gfogin on.


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 Billy ( 7th May 2003, 10:29, Rank: Tripod )  reply

much rockage was present - the intro scene was one of my favourite scenes in a film for a long time.

i;ve heard rumours of numbers of films going from 3-5 overall...while one more would definately be good, a batman like existence would prolly not...

Oh yeah, what were Stryker's glasses frames made out of? They certainly looked like metal to me... ;)


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 elvum ( 7th May 2003, 15:35, Rank: Triffid )  reply

Nice. I'm definitely going to see it again, if only for Magneto's escape sequence. Oh, and Wolverine's first fight scenes. The buttons on the guards' epaulettes definitely looked metallic to me, too...


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 Sulkyblue ( 7th May 2003, 16:07, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

Yeah, I thought the glasses looked metalic, but I didn't spot the buttons. The escape was VERY cool, I didn't see it coming, I kept thinking Mystique was gonna de-morph. I think the thing I most want to see again is the opening sequence of Nightcrawler at the White House. That and trying to catch more of the cameos.


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 John Kirk ( 7th May 2003, 20:32, Rank: Patrician )  reply

Incidentally, people who liked the characters in recent Marvel films, but don't want to read the comics, might like Bullpen Bits: (www.marvel.com) - short strips, like a webcomic. A few of them feature the X-Men, and I particularly liked #4 with Cyclops.


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