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 John Kirk ( 28th Apr 2003, 14:52, Rank: Patrician )  reply

If I comment on a request, should it add an entry to the "what's new" page?


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 Sulkyblue ( 28th Apr 2003, 16:28, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

john: if it didn't, probably not
Random Coward: lol!
fyi - the library db now seems to be working fine, but hte gallery is still unavailable
And apparently they submit link is also very very broken


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 karne ( 29th Apr 2003, 10:59, Rank: GSV )  reply

the comment on request thing doesn't add to the what's new - didn't seem worth it. If you want it to it can?


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 John Kirk ( 29th Apr 2003, 12:24, Rank: Patrician )  reply

Well, I'd say that the comments on requests are mainly for the benefit of the librarians, so it depends how often you check the list for new comments. In other words, if there was an entry in the "what's new" list, then would you read the comment sooner? Alternately, maybe we could just have a way to sort the list by "active" requests, like in the news board?


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 dormouse ( 29th Apr 2003, 12:45, Rank: Jedi )  reply

the timestamp for requests is submission time, so people can see what's new. you can scan down to see comments, and the librarian should be doing that anyway.


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 John Kirk ( 5th May 2003, 22:29, Rank: Patrician )  reply

I assume it's deliberate that you can't use <link> in the links database - could you add some text that gives the preferred formatting for URLs? On a related note, I commented on a link to "The X-Axis", and got the wrong syntax (I used target="new_" rather than target="_blank"), but having edited that comment once, the icon has disappeared so I can't edit it again. (I still see the icon next to other comments I've made.) Seems like the same problem I had a while back.


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 John Kirk ( 14th May 2003, 18:29, Rank: Patrician )  reply

If you're in the library or social section, then you go to the "what's new?" page, it still thinks you're in the previous section, i.e. the address bar doesn't change, and you don't have an icon to get back to that section. Not a huge problem, since you can just use the "Back" button on the toolbar, but if there's an easy way to fix it...

Also, the online booklist says "last updated 28th February 2003", which was before the last book crawl. So, either it's due for an update, or that webpage needs to be edited. On a related note, once all the new acquisitions are in the database, could they be cleared off the request list? And minor bug there - if you say "sort by status", it doesn't distinguish between "unreviewed" and "Hunt for me".


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 John Kirk ( 14th May 2003, 18:53, Rank: Patrician )  reply

Suggestion - when comments are added to a news article, could you have an anchor associated with each one? That way, the "Go" link on the "What's new?" page could hop you to the relevant place. Not exactly a top priority, but would save precious seconds when people no longer need to scroll :)


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 John Kirk ( 19th May 2003, 10:40, Rank: Patrician )  reply

Event listings: When you add a new event, it says "(24 hr)" after the time. However, all of the Tuesday events (Jurassic Park/Magic) are entered as "6pm". Does the time need to be in a specific format, e.g. for sorting multiple events on the same day? If so, maybe a good idea to edit those events. If not, maybe get rid of that comment to avoid confusing people?

Speaking of events, if you don't agree with something I've added, it would be helpful if you could tell me what was wrong with it, rather than just deleting it silently...


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 dormouse ( 19th May 2003, 12:11, Rank: Jedi )  reply

it doesn't *need* to be in a specific format, it displays just fine. If there are multiple events on one day then people can use 24hr format so they display in the right order.

As for the event, I thought it was obvious - the Eurovision song contest has absolutely no relevance to the society. The only place I could think of were that would be appropriate would be the icsf-committee list, and even then it's unlikely unless you were inviting people to a party for it.


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 John Kirk ( 19th May 2003, 13:48, Rank: Patrician )  reply

Well, I'm not trying to start an argument here, so I'll just clarify my position, then leave it at that. I didn't think that the event I added was obviously wrong - if I had thought that, then I wouldn't have added it. Although it's not SF/fantasy related, I thought it was relevant because lots of people in ICSF would probably want to watch it, and I saw comments on IRC recently along the lines of "Is Eurovision on soon, or have I missed it?" The reason I added it as an event rather than a news item is so that it would still be visible by the end of the week, since news items tend to get bumped off the first page quite quickly. You clearly disagree, which is fair enough, since you're the admin here.

However, when you say that the only place this would (possibly) be appropriate is the committee list, does that mean that it wouldn't fit on the news board either? I don't see how it's any less relevant to the society than gaming info, e.g. news about Unreal Tournament (which hasn't been deleted).

Ultimately, I'm not posting stuff for my own benefit, since I already know about it. So, if I add stuff and it gets wiped off then I'm less likely to make the effort in the future. You may view that as a good or a bad thing, depending on how interested you are in other stuff I post, but it's something to be aware of...


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 Sulkyblue ( 19th May 2003, 14:13, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

I would agree with michelle on this one. Strictly speaking most of the games posted on the news board *are* science fiction. The events board is a slightly more formal part of the site, it's aimed at people we don't know - ie random icsf members and whether they like eurovision or not, that's not why they're icsf members and not why they're looking at the events list.

I'd say for the events list it has to be someting that's either icsf (eg if we were running a eurovision party open to all icsf members...) or a general sf event (like a signing, or a marathon on tv like the Dr Who thing).

The news board is slightly fuzzier. I generally tend to keep it sf&f. The gaming is a little fuzzy, but considering how popular and how important a part of picocon and femtocon the lan gaming is it's probably reasonable.


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 Sulkyblue ( 19th May 2003, 14:14, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

any chance we could make this 'add comment' box a bit bigger? Full width maybe putting the 'loged in user' and add comment button below it with the tags? Some of the comments are getting a little extensive and I don't think we want to actively discourage that do we?


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 John Kirk ( 19th May 2003, 14:21, Rank: Patrician )  reply

Yeah, making the box wider sounds good to me - it only takes up about 1/4 of my screen width at the moment. Looking at LiveJournal comments, the "logged in user" info goes above, and the "add comment" button goes below, so that might be a useful model to follow (just as something that people are familiar with, rather than something that's necessarily better).

On a related note, could you reduce the amount of HTML that's needed? In particular, could the PHP code replace Chr(13) with <br /> when it displays comments etc.? That way, to start a new line, all you have to do is press Enter, which is easier, particularly if you want to encourage comments from people who aren't web-page designers. I'd say it's best to do that when displaying comments, rather than when storing them - that way, the user won't see the code when editing a comment either. Bob did something similar with the code for his blog recently, so he can probably share the code with you if needed.


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 Sulkyblue ( 19th May 2003, 14:22, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

Tidying this page - so several things
John: It's not entirely deliberate that you can't use <link> in the links database, I just haven't put it in, but will do. As for you not being able to re-edit stuff I haven't been able to replicate this at all and have absolutely no idea why it doesn't work for you.

re: the "what's new" keeping the same frame structure - I'm not certain I understand. You mean you can't get back to the main menu page of (eg) the social page? If you want to do that click on the big white rectangle in the top left with icsf social on it, just the same as you would in any other section of the social section. Or are you losing the left (or right if in the library) menu frame?

The linking directly to comments from the "What's new page" will be skipping past any spoiler warnings that are in the original news story. At least linking to the top of the story allows people to read in the right order so they can catch a spoiler warning as soon as it's posted. It really isn't ideal, but think this is probably safest. (The same logic behind linking to the news index, not the actual article for new stories).

I've deleted a few of the more random comments here... sorry


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 John Kirk ( 19th May 2003, 14:42, Rank: Patrician )  reply

(Btw, part of your last comment is invisible, because you wrote <link> rather than &lt;link&gt;)

The "what's new" issue - yeah, clicking in the white rectangle does the trick (I didn't realise that was a link).

As for the re-editing links problem, have you logged in as me? (I'm assuming that it's a problem with my user account, rather than with the web browser on my PC here.) I can email you my password if you need it.

A couple of existing bugs in the links database, just repeated here to keep everything in one place:

If you do a search (e.g. for Angel/all contents), lots of the links/comments wind up right-justified. Although curiously not the text of the first link.

If you view all links, the "next 20" link at the bottom of the page doesn't work quite the way you'd expect. Basically, the first page has 20 links (1-20), then the second page has 40 (21-60), then the third page has 60 (41-100). So, by the time you get to the third page, that means that you've seen the first 20 links already. From the look of it, it's using the "final" argument as the number of links to display, rather than the ID of the final link.


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 Sulkyblue ( 19th May 2003, 15:11, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

botheration, thakns for pointing out the lost link thing.
no i haven't logged in as you, if you send me your password i'll give it try. It's got to be either an issue with your browser or with your username (possibly the fact you have capitals in it).
The right-justify thing is an ongoing battle, mostly caused by occasional links getting added in a strange fashion. THe 20 links thing was fixed, must have got broken/lost in the move. If I ever get a weekend where I'm free and the union server is running I'll get round to doing the new version of the links database.


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 John Kirk ( 26th May 2003, 22:28, Rank: Patrician )  reply

Minor typo on the main news board page - "intresting" should be "interesting".


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 Sulkyblue ( 25th Jun 2003, 10:58, Rank: Nazgul )  reply

I've added to the stylesheet a spoiler class - so if you want to put something on the news board in comments or whatever you can use "<p class="spoiler">. It just prints the text white, so it needs highlighting to view.
Obviously if the whole article/comment is a spoiler then just put a big spoiler warning at the top. But for instance my Harry Potter comments are mostly spoiler free except for one section.
I'll update the list of tags underneath the comment boxes when I get a chance.


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